INTERVIEW WITH WM. MICHAEL MOTT
RESEARCHER/WRITER OF HOLLOW/INNER EARTH FOLKLORE AND MYTH
Wm. Michael Mott is the author of the fantasy novels, "Pulsifer: A Fable," and "Land of Ice, A Velvet Knife," which are published in electronic form by Softbook Press Inc. (www.softbook.com). He is currently researching and writing on mythic, religious, folklore, Fortean and paranormal topics. His latest book, Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed Creatures, (published by hiddenmysteries.com) is non-fiction. This book is an in depth research work into mythological lore and the relationships to an underworld or hollow earth.
A freelance artist and writer, he writes both fiction and non-fiction.
Wm. Michael Mott is presently engaged as the Creative Director of a software company. He has an extensive background as a professional artist and designer in the electronic media field listing among his clients many Fortune 500 companies.
We want to thank Mike Mott for joining us in our quest for a personal understanding of the Inner Earth cultures.
Approx. how long ago did you first become interested in the Inner Earth? When did you first begin writing on this subject?
My first introduction to the concept was parallel in nature, in the late sixties and early seventies. About the time, when, as a child, I was discovering the "Pellucidar" novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs, I was also seeing ads in various comic books and magazines which were pushing Raymond Bernard's book, "The Hollow Earth." I found the concept fascinating, but eventually grew out of it--even dismissed it as childish and fanciful--until late in my teens, when I began to realize again that it was in fact quite plausible, explaining as it did many anomalies which mainstream "science" seemed to be struggling constantly to understand or explain. I studied the topic, and related topics, constantly for twenty years or so, and didn't finally feel comfortable writing about it until the end of 1998 and the beginning of 1999.
Evidence seems to indicate that there are two separate mysteries here, however, which are often lumped together; one is the possibility of an inner concavity to the planet (a geode-like configuration), and the other is the strong evidence which indicates the presence of "others," not necessarily human beings, who dwell at various depths beneath the crust of the Earth. These are in fact two very different phenomena, in my opinion.
There is belief by some researchers that in ancient times the earlier Hebrew tribes went into the Northern Polar region, and may reside on the lip of the opening there still today. Would you care to comment on this?
The thing which escapes many "new age" researchers today, and even many traditional researchers who have no preconceived or pet theories to support, is the fact that the Torah and New Testament both contain many allusions and references to a real "underworld," complete with polar openings, or in the form of an alternate cavern realm which consists of many separate regions. The Old Testament makes very distinct mention of all of these realms, in the books of Isaiah, Job, Zechariah, Ezekiel, and many others. Also mentioned at length are cryptid creatures ranging from "dragons" to hairy humanoids, which are translated as "satyrs" in the King James version.
Other mysteries which fascinate the modern researcher, such as lost continents and civilizations, are also mentioned, as is their destruction. Many Biblical references describe an earlier age, and the fate of pre-human civilizations which have vanished from the Earth. Some of these were overthrown by cataclysms which thrust them to the bottom of the ocean, or else were driven or plunged deep beneath the crust of the world. Such places are referred to as a "terror," and came about due to great planetary upheavals. References are made to the prehumans, the "old people" or "people of old time."
Ezekiel 26:19-21 states:
19 For thus saith the Lord GOD: When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee;
20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;
21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more; though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the lord GOD.
I would say that grays, reptilians, UFOnauts of many descriptions, and many cryptids which defy rational explanation such as "El Chupacabra" fit the description of being "a terror," at least according to many who have had encounters with them. I believe that the reference "thou shall be no more" refers to a surface-world, pre-cataclysmic kingdom. There's much additional Biblical information to support this theory, as in the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah Chapter 5 contains a reference to the pre-human world that existed before the Creation as described in Genesis.
Verse 23 begins with a description of the aftermath of destruction, where Genesis picks up; then the following verses describe a land which existed before, and which had both cities and living creatures (an ecosystem), yet no human or sentient beings ("man"). A "time of darkness," akin to nuclear winter or the similar state which would have followed the dinosaur extinction event, is also described. Also mentioned is the fact that this was not "a full end," but life and civilization were destined to someday emerge again.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of heaven were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back.
As for the Hebrews living by a Polar Rim, who knows? The lost tribes vanished, there is no doubt, but some evidence has been found that they wandered across Asia primarily, through Kazakstan and into China, perhaps even further. Maybe they went north from there. The book of Job, with its mention of the polar hole which is complete with oceanic and weather descriptions and arctic ice and snow, makes it clear that the "mystery of the north" was known to them.
As to whether or not any of them migrated in that direction, I don't believe that the evidence is conclusive one way or another. Who is right in terms of postulated inhabitants--the proponents of Aryan supermen, or of lost Hebrew tribes?
The two don't seem to work well together, to my mind at any rate, particularly given the Nazi take on inner-earth Aryan origins and their dislike of Hebrew people. The two seem mutually-exclusive, although if I were to take a non-scientific stance I would hope that the Hebrews prevailed there! They deserve a break.
Assuming that over a lengthy period of time there have been genetic processes available to those members of the Inner Earth, do you share in the belief that there are genetically engineered beings, those who may be designed with the genetics of several different species? And if so, approx. how many of these 'hybrids' are currently part of the Inner earth population?
We modern humans are on the verge of advanced genetic engineering capabilities ourselves. This happened quite suddenly, due to an exponential explosion in knowledge throughout the 1900s. If prehuman, or even ancient human civilizations exist elsewhere, and they have achieved a comparable level of technological advancement at a point in the distant past, then it would be logical to assume that their knowledge and use of genetic engineering would be far beyond anything that we will achieve for quite some time, as their knowledge-growth would have long ago reached an exponential "critical mass."
We are already creating plants with animal genes, and vice-versa; a chimera like the Chupacabra--an undeniable cave-dweller, according to reports--would seem to support, at least with anecdotal, witness-based evidence, a genetically-engineered origin. This is discussed at length with much more evidence presented in my article, THE DEEP DWELLERS. Another piece, HIDDEN NEIGHBORS, reveals the underworld fascination for genetics, even an obsession with genetic matters and materials. And it seems that any gene-pool is seen by the cavern-dwellers as fair game.
As for how many "hybrids" there are, who can say? We're having a hard enough time even proving that inner-earth and cavern worlds exist, or that their inhabitants exist, even though the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. I believe that genetic manipulation and exploitation are evident in both inner-earth and cavern types, but the latter seem to be the more severe in terms of exploiting the surface world.
In your writings on the subject of the Inner Earth, the Reptilian species is often described as the dominant species in the make up of the Inner Earth Kingdoms. Where do you see the King of the World fitting in to this picture?
First of all, I don't necessarily see the situation in this way. It seems that the "serpent races--" an ancient, catch-all term which really just means pre-Adamic or pre-human--consist of many different types, even specie, of beings.
Those which are truly "reptilian" seem to have more of an affinity with certain regions within the crust of the Earth, as for example in the case of the Nagas of India, of the Indian Ocean, and the Himalayas. "Rigden-jyepo," as the Tibetans call their subterranean "King of the World," is not seemingly of Reptilian type, but is a human being of one type or another.
Whoever he is, his people seem to be not only distinct from the Reptilian races, but even, by some accounts, are at war with them at times. In 1928, Nicolas Roerich was told by a Tibetan monk that if he went "across the sea" and "far to the north" that he would be able to get a glimpse of the inner world, or Agharta. This places the kingdom of Rigden-jyepo within the inner-earth, as opposed to be being within the caverns deep inside the crust, which tends to be the domain of non-human beings, it seems.
Perhaps this is due to environmental extremes and pressures of deep caverns with which human beings of the "surface type" have difficulties. This doesn't mean that there aren't connections between the two regions, and Hebrew, Norse, Asiatic, and other accounts indicate that there are passageways and tunnels between them, and the surface world.
The Older German Tribes and recently the Nazis, have had a great interest in the Inner Earth and follow a pagan cosmology of the Hollow Earth as the seat or throne of one of their Gods. Do you believe there are Germans from the World War II period, who had a genetic memory of the ancient glory of the Inner Earth, and still seek it out today with the purported encampment near the Mawson Range in the Antarctica wasteland?
In terms of human beings, our "genetic memories" tend to be based on oral and written traditions more than on some sort of encoded instinct, at least memories of this type--or this is what I believe. This is why Hitler-who was fascinated by Tibetan accounts of the inner earth--was so easily manipulated.
He was told what he wanted to hear, apparently. This type of manipulation happens all the time, and it doesn't have to come from some subterranean source! Hitler turned it into something nasty, as he believed that the Aryan race not only came from the inner earth, but was still there, and was vastly superior to even "his Aryans."
But the evidence for an "Aryan" connection is definitely there, going back even to the accounts of the Norse and the locations of the lands of their "gods," as well as the descriptions of the Hyperboreans and of "Ultima Thule." The "Aryan" concept is closely tied in with inner-earth mysteries, and has been throughout the ages.
As to whether or not Nazis fled to Antarctica, accounts exists to support this theory, from the sighting by Argentines of U-Boats in the region at the end of the war, to "Operation High-Jump" and the apparent insistence of Admiral Byrd to turn Antarctica into an "atomic test range--" or so the story goes. But this isn't really "evidence," falling more along the lines of hearsay or folklore. This does not, however, mean that it's not based in some sort of truth.....
In fact, with the entire "hollow earth-UFO-Cryptozoological" range of topics, I believe we are seeing the birth of a new folkloric form--a new folklore, often based in fact and science, for our own time, which draws inspiration and even facts from more ancient traditions. But most legends and folktales, at some level, have their genesis in truth or in half-truth. The trick for all of us will be to sort it all out.
The Hindu Mythologies and practices have held a special place for me in my spiritual search. I often wondered how prevalent the Inner Earth has played a part in the cosmic history of the Hindu people. Is there a place addressed in their stories concerning an Inner Earth kingdom?
Since I'm not a Hindu, I tend to view Hindu beliefs and traditions from the point of view of a folklorist and mythologist, as I do most traditions. All speak to us of common mysteries and truths, to varying degrees of accuracy, in my opinion. But from Mohenjo-daro and the ancient Vedic accounts of what sound like nuclear destruction, to many of their other beliefs such as cyclical catastrophism and aerial vehicles (vimana) it seems that, as in the Hebrew traditions, there is much (pre) historical truth buried or even explained in their traditions.
There is a great deal of evidence to support the Hindu knowledge of "other" worlds within our own, but I bow to Dean de Lucia (Dharmapada Dasa) and his excellent research on this topic. ... There is no doubt that both inner-earth (hollow earth) and cavern-world realities were known to many ancient peoples, including the Hindu peoples.
Though Russia is steeped in Inner Earth tradition and culture, I have not been able to find any information that directly reflects the awareness of the Russian people today of the Inner Earth. I am curious. Do you have any information on the Russian people and the survival of the Inner Earth knowledge?
I know that in the past they had quite a deal of knowledge and many traditions on this topic, but with the oppressive weight of communism crushing them for so long, my guess is that the knowledge has been lost or suppressed. Any topic with religious, spiritual, or mystical overtones or connections more or less met the same fate, during most of the 20th century.
And the knowledge may still BE known, but only to those in power. In the West we have seen that these topics are often classified within government agencies, while simultaneously being ridiculed and suppressed among the population in general. Why should other governments behave any differently?
If there ARE other beings within our own planet, who hold no allegiances to any of the governments on the surface, this becomes a national security issue in the eyes of all surface governments, or at least this would logically seem to be the case. But no, I have no specific knowledge about current, popular Russian knowledge on this topic.